Egyptian Ak 47 Serial Numbers
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On the other hand I have a couple that are supposedly Polish and they don't work so well. So what do you think they are.??? They were sold as Yugos. Or do you think they are a combo of chinese and yugo parts????
I double checked and there are no markings of any kind on any of the parts. I only have one other mag that locks into the rifle better and has an as-smooth spring and follower. I thought it was an early Polish, but now that I look the follower hump looks a little too square. It almost looks like it has some sort of pain over the bluing. What do you think??Hungarian.
The follower's bulge is flattened at both ends (early), the keeper has no spring strut, body is first pattern, and it appears to be blued. I do have problems telling much about the finish from pics. The 'blueing' does look strange.
Could be a re-finish by???? No way for me to tell you more without holding it. From above article: 'Hungary Hungarian 30-round mags are all of the First European Ribbed Type. Early mags had a blued finish and will often be found with an “02” and a smiley-faced quarter-moon stamping on the spine. These early mags have a very distinctive bulge in the follower that is flattened at both ends. These early follower bulges also have a noticeable large hole in the front left side. The takedown plate’s button also stands out as it is clearly flattened when viewed through the hole in the floorplate.
At some point the finish on all the mag’s components was changed to black enamel. Few changes will be noted in the Hungarian 30-round mag during its long production span. The first design change was apparently to a follower with a more traditionally oval bulge shape. This was followed by a small “M” in circle inspector stamp on the spine, and a new floorplate with a thinner oval shaped stamping at its front. Large quantities of these late mags will also be found with takedown plates having only a gray phosphate finish, and even with no finish.
Only a few of the late Hungarian AK mags present a challenge to identify. These mags were generally made for commercial sale in the U.S. And are unmarked. An easy way to identify these mags, as well as any Hungarian mag, is to disassemble the mag and look at its keeper. Hungarian AK mag keepers are unique among the European and Egyptian steel mags in that it lacks a spring guide protruding from it.' OK here is another one for Tom-M And another chance to play with the $89 pocket camera.
I picked these up from Wideners. ($12.99) They were being sold as Korean, but Wideners has been wrong most of the time. The finish is a gray-ish phosphate type finish almost like an old M-16 magazine. The edges around the feed lips were very sharp and the magazines appears to be a little lighter than the other magazines which are supposedly eastern European. I can NOT find any company stamps or proof marks.
They were advertized as having a polymer follower but they are really steel. The spine seems thin as well. They also do not feed very smoothly. What do you think??? Around 2000, a series of experimental 30-round polymer Waffle mags were imported by Magua Industries from Bulgaria. Imported in only small quantities; they were advertised colored either arctic white, blue, clear, gray, hunter green, olive green, plum, or yellow.
However; only the arctic white, clear, hunter green, and olive green colored mags appear to have made it here in any quantity. Interestingly enough, I 'won' one of these when Magua brought them in.
Actually, Chief Thunder sent it to me for making him laugh in a post but that's another story. This one is black but it was sent to me no later than 2001 so it predates the black models mentioned later in that paragraph. Any chance of it being anything special based on the time frame? Resurrecting an old thread to get some answers. 'I have these magazines, see.' I was sold these years ago as Croatian magazines.
According to the OP's article, I may have Bosnian Magazines.: 'Bosnia In 2006, in a large shipment of AK mags from the now dissolved country of Yugoslavia, came two newly discovered, but clearly related, 30-round mags produced in what is now Bosnia. These mags were made so that the bolt would be blocked by the follower after the last round is fired and were probably made under less than desirable conditions for the cutoff Bosnian forces. They are crudely stamped and welded, and poorly finished with what appears to be gray phosphate. Quality control clearly suffered on these as a few of my mags are too wide to insert into my Chinese made AKs. Disassembly of one will also show that the plant making them relied on bent flat-springs instead of the traditional coil spring.
These mags show both the ingenuity of the manufacturer, and the desperation to arm the fledgling Bosnian forces. Both Bosnian mags are essentially the same having only one wide outward facing vertical rib running down the side. The only real difference is the inclusion of a large stamped “fleur-de-lis” symbol on the bottom sides of one of the mags.
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The fleur-de-lis has special meaning to the Bosnian people, and is included on their national flag. This symbol is also used by the Boyscout organization and this has led to this mag being referred to by collectors as the “Bosnian Boyscout mag.” The mag without the fleur-de-lis symbol is simply called the “Bosnian Single Rib.” The so called “Bosnian Two-Rib” steel mag was also unknown in the US until the above 2006 shipment. However, there is still some very reasonable speculation that these may actually be of Croatian origin. They appear to be what they are claimed to be: a rushed expedient mag manufactured for an army cutoff from outside supply. Most have a hastily applied blued finish, but a few also appear to have an equally poor phosphate finish.
These mags generally have rather poorly made followers, floorplates, and keepers. There are two types of followers, unique to this mag, that are often poorly welded; one of which appears too short in length. The floorplates generally are poorly fitted and will often wobble side-to-side on the magazine. The keepers often are over-sized thus making disassembly of the mag difficult. Many of these also have a letter (W, X, etc.) and a number (2, 3, 5, 6, etc.) stamped on the bottom rear of the mag.
There has been some speculation that the Bosnian Two-Rib was designed as a bolt hold-open mag because it lacks the normal dimples on its inside that prevent a follower from traveling all the way up. Pulling an AK’s bolt backwards and releasing it on an empty mag will usually result in the bolt being stopped by the follower. However, when firing the last round in a mag, the greater returning force of the bolt invariably pushes the follower down so that the action will close. The traditional rounded end of the follower’s bulge allows this to happen and also generally results in damage to the follower over time. The reasons for making a mag in such a way, other than to simplify production, escapes me.' (For clarification on the pics, one of the four mags has no letters or numbers stamped onto lower sine, thus no pic of the fourth) What is the consensus on this now?
Thanks for any help. (Sorry for the low grade pics.) firstchoice. Bosnian manufacture to the best of my knowledge. No real info has ever come to light on when, where, or how many were produced. Thus we are forced to dig through photos and videos to try and make judgement calls. Below video shows quite a few of these mags being used in combat.
Particularly at the 6 min mark where they are reloading them. I continue to trudge along on a new version of that article. New version is currently 50% larger and I'm trying to find a way to cut it down. They seriously bitched about how long the last one was.
Last weekend I bought my second ever AK in 2 days not really knowing anything about it. I was in good mood so I paid $420 for it. I know it is post ban AK but I was thinking that it would have a different kind of butt and grip. Then I read that these were made to have a 10 round magazine. When I took the cover off right above where the magazine goes there is a 1981 (don't have a picture of it right now) Could that be the year made? If you can just shed some light on what exactly I have that would be great. Was this made/assembled in USA?
How did I do price wise? Post Ban MISR that came into the country with a 10 round mag. They also had no threads for a muzzle attachment as well as the bayo lugs has been trimmed. You can tell on your AK that the mag well has been open up, the biggest problem with these MISR's are how well they feed rounds out of the high cap mag after the conversion. AKbuilder has a 1/2' tap set up with a guide to thread your barrel if you choose to use a muzzle attachment-he also has really cool muzzle attachments for the 1/2' thread barrels.You can also weld on the tabs to your gas block (or replace it) to made the bayo mount as it was before the trimming.
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As far as value????Well I am half way threw a original military Egyptian AK47 kit build right now.$250.00 kit, 75.00 Barrel, 75.00 receiver+10.00 for transfer, 55.00 compliance parts.$465.00 plus about 5 hours of build time-and I have not even got to the refinish point.Obviously not 100% apples to apples as far as collectors are concern-but I think you did alright if your a shooter and was looking for a cheap gun to play with. Make DARN sure you have the 1/2'x28 guide before you thread that barrel with a tap! Way too many people have ruined Maadi/Misr barrels by simply grabbing a tap and attempting to thread the barrel. Here is the reason why-when the threads where removed from the Maadi/Misr barrels they where not worried about getting the barrel threads turned off on a consistant basis. Some of these barrels when threaded without a guide would cut the threads right into the bore!Or the threads would be so crooked that when the flash hider was threaded onto it-the bullet would strike the flash hider when it left the barrel. Basically the guide slides into the bore and has external threads-you thread the tap down the guide and it will align the tap externally with the bore without becoming misaligned with the poor thread removal job.
The 1/2'x28 threads are much smaller then the OEM threads-and it makes the barrel end pretty thin-It simply does not take much to cut into the bore when using a tap without a guide. If you dont have a guide-DO NOT try this.fair warning. Didn't the MISRs have some Chinese parts that Century Arms used when they built them? I seem to remember them being a hybrid of sorts. I used to have an Intrac-imported Maadi that was pretty cool. A previous owner tried(poorly) to powder-coat the rifle but it all flaked off, leaving a butt-ugly, but functional, rifle. I stripped the crappy finish off with a wire wheel and steel wool, and it looked pretty cool.
I called it my 'Northern Alliance' special, after the raggedy AKs that the anti-Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan carried. The 1/2'x28 pitch Die and TAT (thread alignment tool) and several muzzle devices in 1/.2x28 are available from CNC Warrior.
Fast and cheap shipping and good products. Check all 5 pages of AK47 products. Die & TAT on page 5 IIRC. The Maadi rifles are OK. Paint is always weak and a bit rough on the wood anf front sight base. But generally good shooters.I threaded mine with the CNC Warrior TAT. Worked very well but follow the directions and go slowly - you only get one chance.
Also make sure that you have a detent pin and spring. Didn't the MISRs have some Chinese parts that Century Arms used when they built them? I seem to remember them being a hybrid of sorts. I used to have an Intrac-imported Maadi that was pretty cool. A previous owner tried(poorly) to powder-coat the rifle but it all flaked off, leaving a butt-ugly, but functional, rifle. I stripped the crappy finish off with a wire wheel and steel wool, and it looked pretty cool.
I called it my 'Northern Alliance' special, after the raggedy AKs that the anti-Taliban soldiers in Afghanistan carried.There is a MISR90 that is a maadi receiver mated to a chinese parts kit, that is a century built rifle and nothing factory.